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AMUG Newsletter February 2017

By February 23, 2017March 3rd, 2017

February 2017

President’s Report

Preparations for the 2017 AMUG Conference in Chicago are nearly complete.  With four compelling keynote speakers followed by over 200 technical presentations and breakout sessions, you’ll be challenged to see it all. The AMUGexpo has nearly 100 exhibitors, and we have expanded the expo’s hours to give you more opportunities to discover new processes, services, and ancillary equipment. AMUG members know the conference is filled with hard work, balanced with plenty of fun, from Sunday through Thursday.

“For Users, By Users” is a concept that is best understood by attending the AMUG Conference. Nowhere else will you find a conference exclusively comprised of owners and operators of commercially-available additive manufacturing equipment that is used in professional applications. AMUG hosts the only conference where your AM experiences—shared with the experiences from other conference participants—and interactions with technical experts from equipment manufacturers advance the state-of-the-art for equipment and processes. You’ll find AMUG members to be inclusive and welcoming, while being very enthusiastic about their AM applications.  The practical knowledge you acquire from members and sponsors is unmatched.

We have posted several tools to allow you to plan your conference time carefully for maximum benefit. Take advantage of the online conference agenda to develop your strategy. When reviewing it, pay special attention since some of the sessions require pre-registration.  Use the online planner to assure your technical objectives are met. We will also be launching a conference mobile app to help you organize your time and keep you up-to-date with programming updates.

It’s up to you to make your AMUG Conference experience a success.  I look forward to meeting you in Chicago!

Steve Deak

Steve Deak
AMUG President

First -Time Attendees

If this will be your first AMUG Conference, please plan to join us for the first-time attendee orientation on Sunday, March 19, from 4:00 to 4:30 in the Continental Ballroom. In this brief gathering we will help you get your bearings with an introduction of AMUG officers, breakdown of conference logistics, and a discussion of what to expect.

For this gathering, and the entire week, comfortable casual is the way to dress. Jeans, polos and sneakers will be the attire of most attendees.

If you have any questions, or need some pre-conference assistance, please contact me at

Derek Ellis
Deputy Vice President – New Members

Checklist for Conference Attendees

AMUG Education & Training Conference
March 19-23, 2017
Hilton Chicago
Chicago, Illinois
  • Register for the conference (before rate increases after March 11th).
  • Make hotel reservation.
    • Once the negotiated block of rooms is gone, discounts will disappear.
  • Pre-register for sessions and workshops that require advance booking (see agenda).
    • ® denotes pre-registration required. Offerings include:
      • AMUG hands-on workshop
      • Stratasys hands-on workshops
      • SLM Solutions customer first-look
      • Concept Laser workshop
  • Register for the Impossible Objects tour (Sunday the 19th).
  • Register for the UL Foundations course (Friday the 24th) that is being offered at a steep discount.
  • Enter the Technical Competition (entries accepted through March 12th).
  • Review conference agenda and plan your week (200+ to choose from, it won’t be easy).
  • Visit the online planner to see who is exhibiting and to build your personal, online itinerary (AMUGexpo and conference sessions).
  • Guest/spouse joining you? If they want to join a group activity, contact Tom Sorovetz.
    • Monday, March 20th
    • Tuesday, March 21st
  • Pack: conference casual is the way to go.

Scholarship Winners

AMUG is pleased to announce its scholarship winners, Dr. Haijun Gong and Claire Belson. Haijun and Claire will be joining us at the conference.

Haijun, winner of the Randy Stevens Scholarship, is an assistant professor at Georgia Southern University. The AMUG Scholarship Committee selected Haijun for his extensive experience, current research, and transfer of that knowledge to the students that he teaches. “Dr. Gong is well-versed in the area of additive manufacturing and has the skills to apply that experience to research and education at the intersection of unique materials and AM processes,” said Dr. Daniel Cox, professor and founding chair of the Department of Manufacturing Engineering at Georgia Southern University.

Claire, winner of the Guy E. Bourdeau Scholarship, is pursuing advanced degrees in chemical engineering at the University of Alabama. The AMUG Scholarship Committee selected Claire for her passion, professionalism, skills and willingness to share her knowledge. In her application, Claire said, “Attending AMUG 2017 would be an awesome opportunity for me because I would be able to pass on all the knowledge that I would gain to my university, my future employers and to the next generation of additive manufacturing engineers.” As a co-op for Emerson, Claire attended the 2016 AMUG Conference.

Dr. Haijun Gong, Randy Stevens Scholarship winner.

Claire Belson, Guy E. Bourdeau Scholarship winner.

Technical Competition

It’s that time of year to once again make sure you submit your designs for the Technical Competition.  We have two categories that you can enter, Advanced Concepts and Advanced Finishing. This is an opportunity to show unique and innovative work that you’ve done over the past year.

The competition takes place on Monday night during our AMUGexpo. The entries are judged by a panel of DINOs, and their selection for top prizes will be announced at our Awards Banquet on Tuesday night. As an added incentive, the top three entries in each category get an award. Winners in each category get their entry highlighted in our 2018 conference agenda and marketing materials, and being the best entitles them to a free attendee pass for next year’s conference.

For details and entry form, please visit the Technical Competition page. If you have any questions, please contact Mark Barfoot at

Agenda and Online Planner

With over two hundred sessions, workshops and panels taking place throughout the week, we encourage you to use the AMUG Online Planner to schedule your time at the conference. If you haven’t reviewed the final AMUG Agenda, it’s time to take a look.  We have sessions in aerospace, automotive/transportation, medical and dental, metal and plastic technologies, software, casting, and materials, not to mention all of the great sessions provided by our Diamond and Platinum Sponsors.

Online Planner:

Agenda (PDF): 2017_AMUG_Conference_Program.pdf

Tour Impossible Objects

Impossible Objects will be offering a free tour of its facility on Sunday, March 19. You will depart from the Hilton Chicago at noon and return with plenty of time to spare before the new member welcoming meeting and the start of the AMUGexpo. If interested, please register in advance by contacting Liz Wolf at or +1 847-400-9582 Ext. 15.

For those that don’t recognize the name, Impossible Objects offers its proprietary composite-based additive manufacturing method (CBAM), which uses fabrics of carbon fiber, Kevlar, fiberglass and more.

See the home of CBAM on Impossible Objects tour.


Come learn about large-format printing in a BIG way at this year’s AMUG Conference by participating in a speed-chess tournament on a HUGE board. Be ready to move gigantic pieces that reveal the various resolutions of large-format printing. The tournament, sponsored by 3D Platform,  takes place on Wednesday, March 22, and Thursday, March 23.

Join in the competition and show off your chess skills; be the last one standing for a chance to win the grand prize.

Huge, 3D-printed chess pieces for speed tournament at conference.

UL Training Course

Space is still available for the post-conference UL Training Course.

UL is offering the first course in its multi-tiered professional certification program, UL’s Foundations of 3D Printing Workshop, immediately following the AMUG Conference. The course will be held at the Hilton Chicago on Friday, March 24, from 8:00 am to 12:00 pm. Paul Bates, AMUG vice president and UL instructor, will lead the course. For details and registration information, click here or call +1 888-503-5536.

Paul Bates leads UL training session.

Conference Hotels

The demand for hotel rooms has been overwhelming. While that is yet another measure of the popularity of the AMUG Conference, it has led to some difficulties in getting reservations at both the Hilton Chicago (primary hotel) and the Palmer House Hilton (secondary hotel). To meet demand, Tom Sorovetz, event manager, has been working with both hotels to add additional rooms to the AMUG block at the $149/night rate.

With this in mind, Tom recommends that you first try to book a room at the Hilton Chicago. If there isn’t availability for the nights you need, then try the Palmer House Hilton. If that fails, reach out to Tom at, and he will do his best to secure accommodations. When contacting Tom, please inform him of your check-in and check-out dates.

  • Hilton Chicago reservations here.
  • Palmer House Hilton reservations here.

For those staying at the Palmer House Hilton, transportation to/from the conference hotel will be supplied (free), and the schedule will be posted at both hotels and in the conference program. Buses will also pick up from, and drop off at, the Palmer House Hilton for our Tuesday-night Awards Banquet.

Family Ties – Responses Needed

The response to our call for favorite family recipes has been a little light. Please consider sending yours to us to be considered as one of the items prepared by the hotel’s chef, and enjoyed by all conference attendees, for our Thursday-night meal. Please send the recipes, accompanied by a short description of what it is, why it is a favorite and whose recipe it is (e.g., grandma, uncle, mother).

For those with friends or family joining them in Chicago, we have outings set up for both Monday and Tuesday. To make the plans come together, we need accurate head counts. So if you are interested, please let us know.

Send the recipes and the friends/family outing information to Tom Sorovetz, event manager, at

New AMUG 2017 App

The new AMUG 2017 mobile app will launch the week before the conference. The app will make it easy for attendees, exhibitors, and speakers to connect, as well as receive updates and changes to the agenda. Access your personal AMUG schedule right from the palm of your hand. Track which exhibitors you’ve visited during the AMUGexpo and take notes on sessions right on your smartphone or tablet.

The app will provide you an up-to-date agenda, speaker profiles, session abstracts and an interactive map of the AMUGexpo. Within the app, you will also find the AMUG Conference floor plans so you are sure to find your way from the Diamond Suites, on the lower level of the hotel, to the tracks that take place on the lobby level, 3rd floor, 4th floor and 8th floor.

We will send an email to all attendees when the app launches. The app will be available for download from Google Play and Apple App Store.


3D Systems

3D Systems Previews 3D Production at AMUG Conference

3D Systems will provide attendees of the AMUG Conference with a first glimpse at transformative 3D production solutions across industries and use cases, from metals to plastics. Following 3D Systems’ recent acquisition of Vertex-Global Holding B.V., a global provider of dental materials under the Vertex and NextDent brands, the company will highlight its progress in digital dentistry and demonstrate the impacts and advantages it anticipates from combining its Figure 4 engine with NextDent materials.

In addition to these demonstrations and daily, expert-led information sessions, 3D Systems’ will showcase its end-to-end digital workflow designed to enable fast and accurate design and manufacturing. The company will feature new capabilities in hardware and software that will help customers transition from prototyping to production.

3D Systems invites attendees to join CEO, Vyomesh Joshi (VJ), on Tuesday, March 21, at 3:00, to hear his keynote and strategic vision on “Making 3D Production Real.”


“Stop Prototyping and Start Producing” – Carbon to Focus on Applications for 3D Manufacturing at AMUG Conference

The most industry-altering use cases for 3D printing are not found in prototyping. Instead, new tech like Carbon’s CLIP has accelerated the future of manufacturing by allowing the 3D printing of end-use parts. Learn how Carbon is taking it a step even further during CEO and Co-founder Dr. Joseph DeSimone’s session on March 21 at 1:30 p.m. in Continental B. Additional expert-led discussions in the Carbon suite include:

  • Caterpillar’s Brittany Hancock, who will speak to the struggles of maintaining a global supply chain for replacement parts and how CLIP technology is helping solve it at 3:00 p.m. on Monday, March 20
  • Carbon’s Vice President of Business Development and Co-founder Phil DeSimone, who will talk about the economics of using CLIP vs. injection molding in the automotive industry at 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday, March 22
  • Carbon’s Vice President of Materials Jason Rolland, who will outline Carbon’s current roadmap of materials, including those that are flame retardant as well as newly released resins CE 221 and EPX 81, the first in Carbon’s Epoxy resin family, at 11:30 a.m. on Thursday, March 23

We look forward to seeing you at the show! Full calendar here.


Our Kinda Town — Chicago

We’ve been enjoying an unusually warm winter here in Chicago (and hope it stays that way) while getting things lined up for AMUG.

While there are a few things we are going to keep under wraps (maybe a Chicago celebrity and a new product?!?), we can share that we will be having some engaging presentations in our conference room (4F). From learning more about the latest applications in rapid tooling and investment casting to helping you decide what technology and material is the best fit for your next project, our team of experts will be on hand to guide you through the process.

On Sunday afternoon, join Somos® in the Joliet Room from 3:00-5:00 PM to let us know what you’re looking for in a 3D printing material, and we’ll provide you with some hometown eats and drinks. During the AMUGexpo on Sunday and Monday, stop by our booth (D9) for some exciting news, and we’ll also introduce you to some Chicago friends.

We look forward to welcoming you to Chicago very soon.

Cloud Gate sculpture at Millennium Park in the Loop community area of Chicago.

SLM Solutions

SLM Solutions Suite Features Metallurgy, Software, Case Studies, Users Group & More!

During the AMUG Conference, SLM Solutions will offer a robust lineup of customer success stories, technical seminars and users group training for customers. Sessions include:

  • Troubleshooting Metal AM Processes – Metallurgical Mysteries and Mayhem from SLM Solutions and Sintavia
  • Metal AM in Production: The M is for Manufacturing from Arconic
  • Experiences, Results and Lessons Learned Processing Multiple Materials for Tooling Applications from the Y-12 National Security Complex
  • The New Art of Data Preparation from CAD to Part: Accurate, User Friendly, Smart and Traceable from SLM Solutions Software
  • The Role of Additive Manufacturing in the Future of Transportation from Divergent 3D

Check out the entire SLM Solutions D-6 Diamond Suite Lineup here and stop by to see the North American premiere of the SLM 280 2.0 twin-laser selective laser melting system live!


Additive Minds Consulting Team at AMUG Conference

In 1994, EOS released the world’s first commercial metal 3D printer. Since then, EOS has been synonymous with producing the best repeatable quality in additive manufacturing (AM). With EOS systems, materials, and processes, we have accumulated broad industry experience from bringing the most AM products to market for innovative companies, including GE, Siemens, and Audi.

Organizations around the world are under increasing pressure to innovate faster and better than competitors. Even so, they are sometimes slow to adopt AM because the necessary expertise is hard to find, and this translates to potential investment risk. EOS Additive Minds solves these problems and enables your organization to enjoy the full potential of AM by giving you all the know-how you need to outperform competitors.

Our Additive Minds consulting team continues to expand its capabilities in North America, and we are excited to share that AM knowledge this year at the AMUG Conference in Room 4E (4th Floor). We look forward to greeting everyone as a Diamond AMUG Sponsor in booth number D7 and in Salon D booth number D7a. Stop by to see our EOS 3D printing machines, solutions, and Additive Minds consulting team…


ExOne at AMUG Conference

At the 2017 AMUG Conference, ExOne® will feature several customer presentations that focus on a variety of topics from process to materials. Two major highlights of the week will be our Washout Tooling demo and the ExOne Users Group, both on Wednesday. The Washout Tooling Demo will be a hands-on experience that will provide attendees with an overview of process basics. After the demo, Jeremy Senne from San Diego Composites will discuss how his company utilizes Washout Tooling to lower manufacturing costs.

The third annual ExOne Users Group will be Wednesday at 3:30 in our demo suite. The users group is open to anyone who owns ExOne equipment. This is an opportunity to meet with and learn from other ExOne system users. Amy Elliot from Oakridge National Lab will share how Oakridge utilizes the ExOne process. There is no registration necessary, but again, this is only open to ExOne users.

Make sure to check out our Diamond Sponsor session on Tuesday at 3:00 where our Chief Technology Officer Rick Lucas will discuss ExOne Binder Jetting technology.


Create the Unexpected in 3D Printing with BASF

During the 2017 AMUG Conference, you’ll be able to learn more about BASF’s dedicated solutions around materials innovation, design for functional applications and competitiveness with open business models. Through collaboration with other players in the industry and engagements with end-users, BASF is committed to helping unlock the true potential of 3D printing.

As a Diamond Sponsor at the conference, BASF will…

  • Introduce new products on plastic powders and filaments, photopolymers and metals parts.
  • Share “how-to’s” for optimization of parts by simulation tools and services.
  • Launch a Design Contest for the creation of new functional parts with BASF materials solutions.

As you get ready for your trip to Chicago, make sure you plan to attend our track sessions and stop by our booth (D11).

We can’t wait to see you at the AMUG Conference!


Renishaw: Proven Manufacturing Revolutionaries

Diamond Sponsor Renishaw is looking forward to welcoming delegates to Suite D1, at the AMUG Conference, next month.

The company has a proven track record of breakthrough innovation in manufacturing, which it applies to the development of metal AM. Renishaw is both a user and producer of its own manufacturing technology. Its ability to provide end-to-end solutions from its extensive, innovative manufacturing portfolio will be explained in a talk by Renishaw AM experts.

Three guest speakers, users of Renishaw metal AM, will present in the Diamond Suite on their experiences. Dr. Sarat Babu, founder of Betatype, talks about architecture materials; Mathieu Brochu of McGil University presents the advantages of pulse laser powder and Brian Slocum of Lehigh University looks at the effect of laser power on part strength.

There are further talks from Renishaw experts on Renishaw-developed software for industrial and medical build files and part preparation, with product software demonstrations available to delegates across the week.

Other highlights include a walk around the Renishaw RenAM 500M metal additive manufacturing system, the Robot Bike R160 customized mountain bike, and a range of parts from proven applications.

Core 12 Architectured metal foam designed by Betatype.


Smarter Prototyping

Ask a consumer product designer what her biggest job stressor is and she’ll probably say it’s achieving the best design with the limited time available. Consumer demand for more choices is increasing pressure on product developers to create new products, faster. Successful companies find ways to shrink their development cycle while unsuccessful ones go the way of the BlackBerry.

To meet that demand, Stratasys recently introduced the Stratasys F123 Series 3D Printers, the rapid prototyping (RP) system aimed squarely at helping designers and engineers consistently achieve the best design in the shortest amount of time. The Stratasys F123 Series helps designers iterate quickly, with economical, fast-printing PLA material, for concept verification. It lets engineers validate their designs and functionally test them using high-performance thermoplastics. And it does this with a simple workflow, made possible with GrabCAD Print software.

Check out the new professional RP platform, designed to make rapid prototyping more powerful and reliable, while simplifying the process. See it at the upcoming AMUG conference in Chicago or go to

The Stratasys F123 Series lets designers iterate more quickly to achieve the optimal design.


Announcing Industrial Printer at AMUG Conference

Voxel8 is thrilled to be a first-time Diamond Sponsor at the 2017 AMUG Conference. After shipping more than 100 multi-material desktop printers in 2016, Voxel8 is excited to announce the development of a next-generation industrial platform.

Voxel8 will be announcing details of its industrial printer, which is currently being optimized for application-specific, end-use part manufacturing under joint development agreements with customers. Some of the unique features of this industrial printer include:

  • Modular choice of 4 print heads for co-printing of multiple materials
  • Deposition of engineering-grade thermoset materials, including polyurethanes, silicones, and epoxies
  • Deposition of conductive inks
  • Capability to grade material properties throughout a print, such as durometer
  • Capability to “print on parts”, i.e. add material to pre-existing parts

Voxel8 will be hosting meetings at the AMUG Conference to discuss its industrial printer with prospective customers, as well as to discuss application-specific efforts in the fields of athletic footwear and antennas. Meetings can be scheduled by e-mailing

Alpha version of Voxel8’s new industrial platform.

HP Inc.

Meet HP Multi Jet Fusion at AMUG Conference!

Less than a month to go and the HP 3D printing team is looking forward to meeting you all in Rooms 4Q and D5 to showcase and share more details about the HP Jet Fusion 3D Printing Solution, as well as exchange learnings with YOU – the users!

Watch this video for a preview on how the technology that powers HPs 3D printers works:

HP Multi Jet Fusion described in YouTube video.

RAPID + TCT 2017

RAPID + TCT is your destination for discovery, education, collaboration, and networking in additive manufacturing. The two industry leaders in 3D technology events, SME and The TCT Group, are teaming up to bring you RAPID + TCT starting in 2017, ensuring North America continues to host a truly world-class event for 3D technologies.

At RAPID + TCT, you will:

  • Visit hundreds of 3D technology manufacturers in one room, including all of the key OEMs as well as innovative start-ups, service bureaus, and more.
  • Learn how to use 3D technologies to reduce time to market, produce stronger and lighter parts, improve efficiency, and create complex geometries.
  • Consult with industry experts before you make equipment decisions.
  • Network with thousands of attendees and see how they’re addressing challenges.

The conference runs from May 8-11, 2017, with exhibits from May 9-11. The location is the David L. Lawrence Convention Center in Pittsburgh, PA. Register for RAPID + TCT today.

TCT Magazine

AMUG Conference Coverage and TCT Awards

Barely a week after the third annual TCT Asia event in Shanghai, the TCT team will reassemble in Chicago for the 2017 AMUG Conference. We’ve got you covered on what to expect with an AMUG Preview inside our TCT North American Edition magazine, including teasers and interviews with exhibitors.

The magazine will be available for free at the event, but to get the jump on our AMUG coverage, make sure you subscribe to receive a copy direct to your door.

The AMUG Conference never fails to be a fountain of valuable additive manufacturing content, and as always, we will be reporting live from the event on all of the best moments from the conference and expo floor. If you’ve got something to shout about at the 2017 AMUG Conference, get in touch with Group Editor Dan O’Connor (

In other news, we’ve just announced details of the inaugural TCT Awards and Hall of Fame event taking place during this year’s TCT Show in September. Find out how you can enter and attend here.

Inaugural TCT Awards to take place in September.

JABIL Flexes 3D Printing for Manufacturing with HP’s Multi Jet Fusion spoke with John Dulchinos, VP of global automation and 3D printing at Jabil, about how a large manufacturing services company like Jabil uses AM in house and HP’s Multi Jet Fusion (MJF) as a technology for end-part production. Jabil Circuit, a massive contract manufacturer with 90 facilities across 23 countries, is an HP foundational partner for MJF. Read the whole story at

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John Dulchinos (left), VP, Global Automation and 3D Printing, and Bill Muir, COO, with one of the first MJF production units.
(Image courtesy of HP.)

Metal AM Magazine

Metal AM Magazine at AMUG Conference

The feature-packed Spring 2017 issue of Metal Additive Manufacturing magazine promises to be one of our largest yet and will be distributed free to all those attending the 2017 AMUG Conference. If you can’t get to the show, don’t worry, you can always download a PDF copy free of charge from our website when published.

The Winter issue of Metal AM magazine is of course still available to download and includes over 35 pages of news as well as the following exclusive articles:

  • GKN Aerospace: The development of AM at a global tier 1 aerospace supplier
  • Modeling the mechanical behavior of AM cellular structures
  • Cost and practicality of in-process monitoring for metal AM
  • Advances in the processing of aluminum and magnesium alloys

On the website you’ll also find all back issues of the magazine in our free-to-access archive.

Download your PDF copy of Metal AM magazine.

Additive Manufacturing Magazine

Testing the Waters—Behind the Design and Production of New DMLS Faucets

American Standard sister brand DXV recently introduced faucets produced through direct metal laser sintering. The faucets are made of Inconel 625 and feature unusual geometries requiring additive manufacturing. DXV Vice President of Design Jean-Jacques L’Henaff spoke with Additive Manufacturing magazine about the development and manufacturing of these 3D-printed faucets.

Also in the magazine’s most recent issue:

The issue also considers Lima Corporate’s 10 years of producing hip implants through AM. Read the digital edition and subscribe here to receive future issues by mail.

3D-printed faucets, from DVX, feature unusual geometries.



DEVELOP3D LIVE is the UK’s leading free conference and exhibition celebrating design, engineering and manufacturing technology and how it brings world-leading products to market faster. We have 40 speakers and over 70 exhibitors in a one-day event.

This year’s speakers include representatives from Jaguar, Bombardier Aerospace, JCB, Speedo, Microsoft, and many more,  In addition to product design, 3D printing and funding, there will be a dedicated VR/AR zone with plenty of hands-on opportunities and workstation prize giveaway.

Register today.

Panel discussion at DEVELOP3D Live.

3D Metal Printing Magazine

3D Metal Printing Publishes Winter Issue

3D Metal Printing magazine, an AMUG Conference Gold Sponsor, has just published its winter issue, focusing on the aerospace industry.  The issue highlights the efforts of Airbus, a leader in additive manufacturing (AM) investment to produce an assortment of metal parts. In another article, editor Brad Kuvin takes a closer look at industry-university collaboration on R&D, highlighted by his visit to the NextManufacturing Center on the campus of Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, PA.

In addition to the latest industry news and technology developments, 3DMP’s winter issue goes in-depth on software to simulate and optimize the printing process and keys to designing for manufacturability. Also, the issue offers a profile of service bureau Forecast 3D, a West Coast company utilizing a wealth of printing and finishing process to satisfy customers across a number of markets. And, 3DMP previews the 2017 AMUG Education and Training Conference.

Beyond its quarterly publication, 3DMP takes AM technology on the road in 2017 with its Mexico Additive Manufacturing and 3D Printing Conference, June-14-15 in Monterrey, Mexico, and the 3D Metal Printing Experience and Tech Tour, August 16-17 in Schaumburg, IL.

Read the entire issue, and get details on 3DMP events, here: